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when the first case was detected here in the states. meanwhile, total covid-19 cases in the u.s. now top 24 million. as the pandemic reaches its deadliest stage yet, robert redfield believes the country is about to enter the worst months of the crisis. this has joe biden's chief of staff warns the virus death toll will reach 5,000,000 by the end of february. just staggering numbers. and as we start this historic week on this martin luther king day, hate cannot drive out hate. only love can. that is a quote i have spent a lot of time thinking about this weekend in the wake of the capitol. thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts now. i believe donald trump would be an absolute disaster for the
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republican party. we would get wiped out. and it would take generations to overcome a trump candidacy. >> i hope the republican senators know that. it is a reality. and it will not help the country, the most important thing. impeaching him after he leaves office will be disastrous for this country and our party >> so in 2016, senator graham said electing donald trump would destroy the republican party. now he said convicting him would do the same. >> it's interesting because lindsey at one point had said maybe a week ago, week and a half ago after the riots, after we find out the rioters were coming to kill mike pence vice president of the united states and coming to kill nancy pelosi.
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we have news they were minutes away. possibly seconds away >> seconds. >> from getting mike pence and doing serious bodily damage to him, possibly killing him, his family. and now lindsey is saying, wait a second. don't impeach him. please don't peach him. after mike pence and nancy pelosi and other members of congress's life was on the line he said i'm done with this. i'm done with donald trump. and then a couple idiots chased him through the airport. he switches position. a couple idiots chase me through the airport, it's not going to be my problem. it's going to be theirs. >> okay. >> i'm surprised lindsey is so weak that a couple people yell at him and he jumps on a plane with the president the next day. it is sad and that pathetic.
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>> these are the weak minds trump preys on. >> weak man. very, very weak man. >> let's take everyone through where we are at. a lot more came out about the assault at the capitol. good morning. welcome to "morning joe". it is monday, january 18th. with us we have white house reporter for "the associated press", jonathan lemire. eddie claude jr. and national editor of the financial times, ed luce is with us this morning. with a little more than two days until joe biden will be sworn in, law enforcement is still grappling with the fallout from the deadly january 6th riot. and security around washington, d.c. is ramping up. according to the associated press, u.s. defense officials are worried about a possible insider attack or threat from service members involved. >> an inside threat. >> securing the inauguration. >> inside threat in america. >> the fbi is vetting all of the
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25,000 national guard troops coming in to d.c. for the event. army secretary ryan mccarthy tells the a.p. they are taking a second, third looks at every one of the individuals assigned to this operation. and the guard members are also getting training on how to identify potential insider threats. meanwhile, we continue to learn more information and see more video from the january 6th capitol hill riots. "the new yorker" published staggering new footage from inside the riot. reporter luke mogulson has followed the radical fringe of trump supporters for months and attended the january 6th rallies in washington that paved way to the insurrection. >> by the way, mika, he is a veteran war correspondent. and here we have donald trump's own war, donald trump's own insurrection inside our
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constitutional republic. it is so -- mika, how disgraceful are the actions of these people you saw in the video? . >> well, it gets worse. as more and more video comes out, you realize there's no turning back from this as being complete and total criminal activity that needs to be held accountable. that's what happens in this country. >> and the several times these cop killers are chanting f the cops, f the cops, screaming and abusing the cops. pattying police officers with american flags. and, yes, it's not antifa. it's maga. >> they say who sent them. >> they talk and they brag about who sent them and say ted cruz would want us to be here over and over again. watch this. >> whose house? >> our house. >> there's a million of us out there. million of us out there.
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>> you're going to run out of mace. that's all you got? >> ted cruz's objections. >> objection. he was going to sell us out all
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along. look. objection to counting electoral votes on the state of arizona. >> wait, no. >> all right, all right. he's with us, he's with us. >> ed luce, it -- it looks like we're watching an insurrection from a foreign country. fascist thugs overrunning democratic institutions. and some eastern european land. but it is here. it is washington, d.c. as we learned last night, donald trump's insurrection and donald trump's efforts to have a coup, which we have been talking about for quite some time. he wanted to rile people up and have an auto coup, it's led to this. and now even the national guard is having the fbi check to make sure there is not an inside job
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to kill elected american officials, including the president and vice president of the united states. >> yeah. really stark footage i think underlying something that is very true about fascist were kind of movements. there is a mixture of horror there and a degree of comedy. the comedy being just how ridiculously ill-informed and unrealistic these people were, not just the ones wearing weird costumes but the ones wandering in like tourists saying let's set up a government. i think that you've got a situation now with the national guard and other law enforcement being given very thorough background checks by the fbi where we are more worried about a recurrence of that on
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wednesday but what i think of annan war sa dat, the indian leader and aoe skwreupz leader both killed by their own guards, assassinated by their own guards. i can imagine that is a nightmarish headache for the secret service to be looking at. a lot of people on that very stark footage were off-duty policemen from other states. there was some serving military there. and of course there are a number of capitol hill police being questioned for sympathies with the rioters. the idea of anarchy on wednesday with 25,000 troops in this city probably unlikely. the idea of something else happening and pipe bombs included cannot be ruled out. i would not wish to be working
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for the secret service or the fbi this week. >> yeah. of course you brought up anwar sadat. had they been muslim insurrectionists, they would have been shot and killed at the capitol or they would be in gitmo now. they would be somewhere. and it would have been taken care of instead. these traitors busted in and wanted to kill mike pence, the vice president of the united states, wanting to kill nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, wanted to kill the number 2 and number 3 ranking constitutional offices to behead the united states government. our constitutional government. what, so donald trump could run the whole thing itself? yeah, it doesn't work that way in america, kids. jonathan lemire, you are hearing increasing concerns inside law enforcement about the actual
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inauguration itself. inside where they can secure the location. so far the biden team still wants to do it outside, right? >> joe, that is right. and i was moving around downtown washington last night. now of course a few days ahead of the inauguration. it is striking. there's been a lot of comparisons to the green zone that was established, secure zones established in background at the beginning of the iraq war. some of those parallels seemed fitting. some images are so striking. an american capital city and street upon street is blocked off by national guard, heavily armed vehicles, roads closed to make it impossible to get around washington and setting the stage for what we will see here in the city this week. and the report of my colleagues at the ap is particularly chilling. the idea of looking at a
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potential inside job. the fbi vetting national guardsman. they have been briefing the biden campaign in recent days. one of their real concerns would be for this influx of out of state national guardsmen or other law enforcement agencies, local police worried there could be a threat posed from within. they have been leaning on the biden camp to really consider. let's be clear. the secret service always looks for the most safe, cautious approach. they will represent the principal on a variety of options. there has been growing intensity in the last 72 to 96 hours, fears that something could happen. we have been on high alert since the capitol attack. they are urging the president-elect to really consider moving something indoors to a more secure facility. to this point biden and his team are saying no. there will be incredible security lockdown, incredible presence. this inauguration was going to
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look different anyway because of the pandemic. there are some visitors but a much smaller group than usual because biden told me, celebrate at home. it is not safe because of the pandemic. now of course there's security concerns from fellow americans, which is such a hard thing to even get our heads around here as we move to the transfer of power. for now, joe, president-elect biden does want the symbolism of a capitol ceremony. he does want to have this sign as a first step of trying to heal america, bring america together. he has a long list of things he needs to do. he wants to adhere to tradition as best he can on noon on wednesday. >> well, members of president trump's failed presidential campaign played key roles in orchestrating the washington rally that spawned the deadly attack on the capitol. we are finding out real chilly
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things here. according to associated press review of records, undercutting claims, the event was the brain child of the president's grassroots supporters. the ap reports, a pro-trump nonprofit group called women for america first hosted the "save america rally" on january 6th at the waffle. but an attachment to the national park service public gathering permit granted to the group lists more than half a dozen people in staff positions for the event who just weeks earlier had been paid thousands of dollars by trump's 2020 re-election campaign. other staff scheduled to be "on sight" during the demonstration have close ties to the white house. in a statement, the president's re-election campaign said it did not organize, operate or finance the event. and that no campaign staff members were involved in the organization or operation of the rally. it said that if any former employees or inspect contractors for the campaign took part, they
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did not so so at the direction of the trump campaign. the ap's review found at least three of the trump campaign aides named on the permit rushed to obscure their connections to the demonstration. they deactivated or locked down their social media profiles, removed tweets that referenced the rally and blocked a reporter who asked questions. those aides include carolyn wren, a veteran gop fund-raiser named as vip adviser on an attachment to the rally permit. between mid-march and mid-november, donald trump for president inc paid wren $20,000 a month. and maggie mulvaney, a niece of former top trump aide mick mulvaney, listed on the permit tampment as the vip lead.
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she was earning $5,000 every two weeks from trump's re-election campaign. with the most recent payment reported on november 13th. meanwhile, the personal accounts of the capitol rioters revealed the impact of president trump's words on his most loyal supporters. some felt called to washington by trump's false claims of a stolen election while others believed they were carrying out the president's direct orders at his rally that day. according to a criminal complaint, a retired firefighter charged with assaulting members of the capital police force, he went into the building following the president's instructions. and this is what a texas real estate agent, accused of breaching the capitol, told a reporter about her involvement. >> i thought i was following my president. i thought i was following what we were called to do. he asked us to be there. so i was doing what he asked us
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to do. >> all right. so -- >> she's, by the way, asking for a pardon. >> yeah, she's asking for a pardon, exactly. >> so, eddie, donald trump, donald trump's campaign, donald trump's supporters, people that were getting paid a lot of money by the trump campaign and then decided to organize this riot are trying to run. there's nowhere to run, baby. nowhere to hide. i think the supremes sang that one. and there's really not. by the time the feds are finishing investigating this, they've got a trail that leads straight back to donald trump. straight back to donald trump's campaign. and this is only the beginning of the investigation. >> only the beginning, joe.
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you're right. there's no way they can hide from this. there is a sense in which we have known since donald trump came down the escalator, his objective has been to exploit, to leverage, a sense of disaffection, grievance for his own political ends and benefits. we have heard in the run-up to the election, during the election and post-election, donald trump trying to delegitimate the results, of votes of particularly african-americans. and, again, to leverage, to play on the sense of resentment, grievance and alienation of a particular part of this constituency. for the last four years he has been lying through his teeth. the people around him has been lying through their team. it is to not believe them. it is to think they're lying. i'm thinking about this in terms of u.s. history in the mid-20th century. the united states is not innocent of political
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assassination. we're not innocent of kind of discord. i'm thinking of that difficult period between '63 and '68 where we watched the assassination of john f. kennedy, martin king, bobby kennedy. and what was at the heart of it was that america was morphing, we were changing, we were trying to address a central contradiction at the heart of the country. here we are in the midst of this, the sagging of the people's house, the selfishness of a political leader, and we are dealing with that contradiction right now. >> and, again, the difference between now and then, now and any other time since the civil war is that we have a president who is trying -- >> exactly. >> -- to undermine the constitution. it is the president himself who is trying to lead an insurrection against the united states of america, against the
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government, against the constitution, against constitutional safeguards. that makes this unlike any other time since jefferson davis became president of the confederacy. i know a lot of people support donald trump who like drawing that parallel. well, it is an accurate parallel because jefferson was a traitor to the united states of america, and so is donald trump. and he continues to be. and if any of his supporters don't think he is, i'd love to know what their justification is. because this is a riot that started to kill the vice president of the united states and to kill the speaker of the house and to tear to shreds the capitol. and look at the pictures of them banging on the doors wanting to kill people, saying they were coming for them. screaming in anger and disgust when they went through the
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senate chambers, screaming, where are they, where did they go. ed luce, i've been talking to several pretty well-played sources through the weekend. i've been talking to friends in journalism. they're all coming to the same conclusion about mitch mcconnell. saying we're not going to take this up in the nicks week or so. he was somehow trying to protect the president. it's taken some of us a little while that that's the last thing mitch mcconnell is doing. mitch mcconnell probably knew when he said he was going to delay it that the longer this plays out the worse it looks for donald trump. here we are 11 days later and more connections are being revealed. and the longer this goes, the
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more donald trump is going to be attached directly to the rioting and the killing of these police officers. >> yeah. i think the arrests that are being made, the post -- the social media postings, the sort of celebratory meaculpas that you have seen from so many of the participants in the assault on democracy i think speaks of making the job of the police and law enforcement a little bit easier. but the naivety of some of them. but on the other hand there are clearly hard-core militia types who had plans to take out -- as you say, decapitate leadership. those are being uncoveredive no doubt that you're right when you say as time goes on this looks worse. and impeaching an office holder
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after they have held office is pretty weak, according to psychological larceny i've listened to. i think, though, the question here remains about what mcconnell himself ultimately wants to do. i think he's testing the waters. i think, you know, we have here it's mlk day, martin luther king day. he said it's always the right time to do the right thing. and that's clearly never been the right word of the republican party. ben sasse is saying the right thing. he wasn't before his re-election last year. lindsey graham said the right thing in 2016. he isn't now. i would be interested on this day of mlk day, and lexi that valley, who the kgb tried to kill, going back to russia,
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knowing full well what he is up against, i would like to see ben sasse show that courage all the time. it's always the right time to do the right thing. so i think there is going to be a huge test of character and courage of republicans who always know who trump is. they cannot pretend it's fine until this happened, as some have been saying. they have always known who trump is. and i think this will be a fascinating test, including of mcconnell of whether they have character. >> right. you know, ben sasse can also start by showing courage by actually calling for the expulsion of josh hawley and ted cruz. six years until he has to run for re-election. and so, yeah, nothing like navalny, going back to russia, where he knows his life is on the line. he can start by actually criticizing his own senate colleagues by name and calling
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for their expulsion. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe", more from senator lindsey graham, who appears to ignore president trump's role in the capitol riot and instead pointing the finger at -- wait for it -- nancy pelosi. plus, president trump is facing a second impeachment trial. but who is working on his defense? you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back with much more. we'll be right back with much more with our highest concentration of prebiotic oat intensely moisturizes over time to improve skin's resilience. aveeno® healthy. it's our nature™.
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eddie, i think this is an especially pointed time to talk about martin luther king on this mlk day. and also to talk about what happened in 2020. you and i have been talking for quite some time about how we
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synthesize our dual realities. that we had an extraordinary group of philosophies at the beginning of this republic that created documents that freed more men and women and liberated more men and women than anybody in the history of this world. it was a revolutionary. and yet most were slaveholders. and the question is how do you synthesize that? also, especially after 2020, when people people, like you and me, believed that that constitutional republic was at risk. who saved that constitutional republic created for the most part by white slaveholders? it was black women. black women in wisconsin. in milwaukee county. and wayne county, michigan.
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and atlanta, georgia. fulton county, georgia. you want to talk about irony. the american experiment lives today because of black voters in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and georgia. how remarkable is that? >> yeah. yeah, joe. we have been having this conversation for a number of years. and we saw it in realtime over this last election cycle. but you know what, we think back on american history, we know what is challenged, what has been the contradiction, the serpent wrapped around the legs of the table on which the constitution was signed, where the declaration of independence was crafted. this ideology of whiteness. and we want to distinguish this. it's hard for us to do in this moment. pwup we think about he ever moment of crisis.
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most of the major moments of crises in this country where we have challenged the basic precepts of democracy it has been in defense of this belief that this country ought to remain a white nation in the vane of old europe. when we think about the assassination of abraham lincoln and radical reconstruction, joe, and then we think about the compromise of 1877, what was that about? that was about an ideology. of course there were economic underpinnings. it was an ideology that insisted it had to be in the vane of old europe. and had we think about the mid-20th century and dr. king's sacrifice and the sacrifice of everyday ordinary people to make good on the promises of reconstruction, this is why it is called the second reconstruction. how do we roll it back? it had everything to do with this consensus behind us.
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and what's so interesting about the recent moment is that we saw people in the capitol in defense of a world that dr. king sacrificed his life to destroy. those people were cleaving to a world that he tried to dismantle. it is up for me and you and others for imagining an america apart from this insidious view that some people out to be valued more because of the color of their skin. we have to finally uproot that so we can step into the promise of american life. >> and, you know, mika, there has been so much progress, so much racial progress in this country since 1963. since the year of my birth. just six years later i was playing on play grounds in rural mississippi with an integrated
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class of black and white kids. so much progress made in the 70s, 80s and 90s and with the election of president obama. so many things we have seen that many americans would not have believed we would have seen in the year of my birth. and at the same time, as i said just last week. >> if those rioters had been from anacostia, if they had been black, they would have been shot in the face and killed. if they had been organizing a protest to disrupt the election and had bragged about that protest coming on december the 6th, there wouldn't have been a protest. you know why? they would have never gone the permits. and security would have been so tough that the first 15 people talking about insurrection if
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they were black they would have been beaten and dragged off to jail. and i will say, again, if they had been muslim, they would have been shot and sent to gitmo. so we have made extraordinary progress. and yet here we have staring in our face another example of how police officers, at least at the capitol on that day, treated white people differently than they would have treated black people, hispanics, how they would have treated muslims differently. and that look is a look that black americans say they see every day. >> yeah. and just to sort of parse a little bit here, there was a situation where the capitol police were completely outnumbered. the promise of mlk makes these setbacks even more heartbreaking quite frankly if that's possible.
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the number of arrests around the country linked to the capitol siege continue to grow. as of this morning, the fbi has charged an additional 74 people with crimes tied to the riots. the total number of arrests stands at 116 people. that's expected to increase as a law enforcement official tells nbc news there are still more than 300 open cases. the fbi says it has received tips containing more than 150,000 separate photos and videos. the "washington post" reports that u.s. capitol police had intelligence three days before the attack warning that the capitol itself might be targeted by angry trump supporters. >> and let me stop right there. let's keep talking about this. but what if they had been warned three days before. and i'll go back to you. what if they were warned three days before angry black
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protesters talking about insurrection were coming to the capitol? do you think they would have prepared differently? >> sure. >> you look at the video and many of them are heroes. there were a couple that deserve the presidential medal of freedom. >> yes. >> but this is important to remember. none of this would have happened if it had been angry black radical insurrectionists that were bragging about a coming rally and riot in the nation's capitol to overturn election results. eddie, i'll just put that ball on the tee, and you just hit that ball out of the park. >> yeah. you know, hopefully i won't. it seems to me in this country some people are free to dissent, free to express their ownership of the country, their sense that america is theirs.
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and others of us who need to shut up and just be grateful. and that different expression of citizenship, joe, was on full view, right, on january 6th. >> full view. >> and we know folks wouldn't have made it to the capitol, joe. they would have been at their homes locking folks up. we know that. if they would have showed up, we would have had numbers of body bags. we know it. we know it. >> let me continue with the reporting of that intel i was talking about. according to the "new york times" prompted capitol police to ask the sergeant on the arms for additional help from the national guard. sources tell "the times" that two officials denied the request without checking in with majority leader mitch mcconnell or house speaker nancy pelosi. former sergeants at arms tell the paper that the officials who have sense resigned would most likely have to check in with
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congressional leaders before making such congressional discussions. >> nbc national security analyst jeremy. where is this investigation going? >> well, incriminations are flying, joe. the national guard folks saying they offered to support the january 6th events and the capitol police denied it. the reality is what you are seeing all of this activity by fbi, by law enforcement to go after and people, that's all great. but it is all right of the boom. you want to be left of the boom,s way out ahead of the events. and i think we will have to reset our entire approach to these white supremacists militias, the dangerous ultra nationalist organizations. the fbi is going to have to run confidential sources.
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if we want to have any hope of stopping these in the future. >> some jeremy, what do we do? what can law enforcement agencies do to make sure you don't have judges who are sympathetic to the insurrectionists who who are sympathetic to sedition of the united states of america. we saw the man who invaded nancy pelosi's office and kicked his feet up on her desk and then got the news that a judge had released him already. what do we do to make sure that judges who are sympathetic to the united states of america don't do what that judge did? how can the charging authorities make sure these people stay in jail? >> boy, that's hard, joe. federal judges have lifetime tenure. you are relying on the appellate
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courts to overrule idiotic decisions by lower courts to release people who pose a clear and present danger. joe, i have to say i think though a lot of the analysis discussed the security modalities of january 6th and what's happening for inauguration, i think we need a blue ribbon to look at the big lie, the brainwashing. people don't get radicalized overnight. this was a long, deliberate effort to brainwash, create a cult. it started with a small lie. mien inauguration crowd was bigger than somebody else's. that's a little lie that happened four years ago. it morphed into a big lie. if you look at fascism in the history of radicalization, terrorist organizations they always have at the center of it a big lie. >> jonathan lemire is with us and has a question for you.
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jonathan? >> jeremy, on the point of the big lie, certainly a lot of the evidence of people who believe in that is online. right? qanon, other conspiracy theorists. it seems a lot of it was missed, warning signs ahead of january 6th. most who were posting threats. there was going to be a storming of the capitol. with that as the back drop, can you tell us the latest of what you're hearing from your contacts in the intelligence world as to what people are preparing for january 20th, the inauguration just two days away? people threatening more action that day and others. give us an update we're seeing which includes now, according to reporting, fear of insider attacks. >> no doubt, jonathan. there is a plethora of online threats. and you saw that, by the way, in the run-up to january 6th. this is one of the things that has to be analyzed, which is why
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law enforcement agencies analyzing social media, why weren't they analyzing the threat stream not just in the days and weeks leading up to january 6th. but there were clear indicators from social media on the day of the morning of the attacks that could have gone the forced posture better. we have to press the secret service, national guard to use those for january 20th. i think there is grave concern. the show of force, 25,000 national troops in the capitol tamped down some of the concerns. of course the threats of a january 17th set of activities did not materialize i think in large part because of the large show of force. but the idea of trying to rerun the background checks of 25,000 national guardsmen and women in three days is a large task. everybody will have to be on heightened alert. see something, say something. they will have to shift quickly,
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change the plans, try to be unpredictable and protect this peaceful transfer of power as best we can. then i think we have the long, arduous plan ahead of us. >> i did a quick check, follow-up while you were answer that question. it ends up he was released by a magistrate to stay at home and await his trial. and the u. s. attorneys' office appealed that. and now he is back in jail. that is a good move. what is the likelihood a good number of people we saw storming through the capitol, especially if they were searching for members, get 20 years, sedition, the book thrown at them for going in and destroying the people's house, destroying the senate chamber, and trying to overthrow election results of a
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democratic election? . >> joe, you hope the book would be thrown at them. i think we have to confront a reality here. a lot of these people will hide behind the first amendment, free expression and try to argue they are no different than other demonstrators in our capitol city. when of course they are so different because they crossed that critical line of violence. on mlk day, it is important to remember when dr. king preached nonviolence, that stands in stark contrast to the idea that people would go through the capitol, yell hang mike pence, kill a police officer, kill someone sworn to protect us, resulting in four other -- five other people dying, you've got, you know, vandalism. you've got threats. you've got the ultimate expression of violent insurrection. i think this is so qualitatively different than anything else that we have seen in the history of nonviolent demonstration in
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our country. i believe the book has to be thrown at them to send a deterrent to other would-be violent offenders. >> yeah. this had nothing to do with the first amendment. it had everything to do with sedition against the united states of america. mika, they all need to be locked up. >> absolutely. >> if they broke into the united states capitol, they all need to be locked up. >> jeremy bash, thank you for being with us this morning. new research shows president trump's ban on twitter has had quite an impact of the level of online misinformation about voter fraud. we will dig into that information ahead on "morning joe". ation ahead on "morning joe" ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪ comfort in the extreme.
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alexei navalny has been detained after defy kwrapbtly flying back to moscow yesterday months after he was left in a coma when he was poisoned with the nerve
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agent novachuk. upon touching down, navalny boarded a plane in berlin where he had been evacuated for treatment in august from a hospital in siberia at the insistence of his family. the plane was diverted shortly before it landed. his press officer confirmed in a tweet without explaining why the plane was erouted. his spokesman posted a video of navalny being escorted away by officials saying he was being detained without explanation and was not allowed to bring his lawyer. he hugged his wife before police led him away. russia's federal penitentiary service released a statement confirming that navalny was being detained for repeated
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violations of the probationary period, whatever that means. he will remain in custody until he can appear in court, the statement said. jake sullivan, president-elect joe biden's appointee of national security adviser, denounced navalny's detention and insisted those who poisoned him must be held accountable. >> i wonder if pompeo said anything like that. no, he did not. >> i think there's other stuff he should be saying now about his other country. it falls flat. ed luce, why would he go back to his country knowing he would be arrested? >> i think to make a point. the guy has been, although he has help, pretty much a lone ranger. other opposition figures like boris nem lemstov.
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he is really the sole, credible opposition figure to putin in russia. and i can to demonstrate through his actions that it's only with urge and with persistence that a strong man like putin can be taken on. i don't know where this is going to end up. there's always been a trial held in a police station or being held as we speak. i don't know what they're going to do with him. whether they're going to jail him or release him. if he's released, whether he's safe. either way. he is, make no mistake, putting his life into his enemy's hands. so, you know, on mlk day, we should make that emphasis of what the -- the courage that's on display here. >> and the courage not on
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display obviously out of washington, d.c. for the trump administration is silent. you're the acting secretary of defense a few days ago praising the russians for information warfare against the united states of america said you've got to hand it to them. and jonathan lemire, we have seen time and again the president of the united states cower in the shadow of vladimir putin. cower when he put bounties on the heads of u.s. servicemen and women. cower after this arrest. cower after the poisoning. and of course you had a very up close and personal look at just how frightened vladimir putin makes donald trump when you asked a question in helsinki. tell us about it. >> reporter: joe, under no circumstance do you have to hand it to russia here. you're right. we have seen this president be subservient to vladimir putin throughout his time in office,
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dating back to his 2016 campaign when he praised putin as a great man. in helsinki when i asked who he believed in terms of the 2016 election interference, whether he believed the conclusions of his own intelligence agencies or whether he believed vladimir putin, trump made clear he believed putin. he wasn't going to take that moment to challenge the russian leader. and i will say, joe, as a final point on this, this is part what joe biden inherits. the presidency has been one where the office has tried to shine a light among human rights abuses, to try to encourage democracy around the world in global hot spots, show misconduct of tyrants and dictators and a authoritarians. that is something donald trump has not done, has not done at all since taking office. and that is something that has damaged one of the many things foreign policy experts believe has done to damage the
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credibility around the globe. we need to repair so much at home. the page, the economy, this insurrection, but also the standing of america around the world and calling for democracy. >> and our relationship with russia needs to improve. but that burden is not on the united states of america. it is on russia. we have had every president this century more than meet vladimir putin halfway. you had barack obama talking about a reset. of course donald trump the past four years has cow erred at the mere mention of vladimir putin. you had george w. bush saying that he looked into his eyes and saw into his heart. well, this is a guy who invaded georgia when bush was president. invaded ukraine when obama was president. and interfered with american democracy. basically invaded the united
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states of america to get donald trump elected any way he could to help elect donald trump. at the end i think donald trump won because more people voted for donald trump in the key states. but putin tried to interfere with that election. and, mika, he's continued. the biden campaign is going to have a tough, tough policy toward russia. and if russia wants to build that relationship, it's going to start with them breaking 20 years of very bad habits. still ahead, shocking new video released by "the new yorker" is giving us another look at just how violent the capitol riot was as trump supporters stormed the building searching for lawmakers. we'll be joined by "the new yorker"'s david remic in. you're watching "morning joe". in you're watching "morning joe". do more to lower your heart risk? jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. so, it could help save your life
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ted cruz's objections. >> he was going to sell us out
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all along. >> elections to counting the electoral votes on the state of arizona. >> wait, no. >> okay. all right, all right. he's with with us. he's with us. >> in the words of bugs bunny -- >> oh, my god. >> what a maroon. ed luce said it was violent mixed with stupidity. well, that's not really surprising because that's exactly what donald trump wanted. they have been fed misinformation over the past several years. cable news outlets have fed them -- >> lied to them. >> -- misinformation and lied to them. emerging cable news outlets have amplified those lies. >> we haven't gone to that. >> facebook has amplified those lies. twitter has done more to amplifies those lines. i guess it's not really shocking that when twitter actually
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banned donald trump, disinformation -- >> dropped. >> disinformation around the election plummeted. plummeted. this all starts with the president of the united states being allowed to lie at will on twitter. misinformation dropped dramatically the week after twitter band trump. how much? it's dropped 73%. >> come on. >> mika, we have been talking about twitter and facebook for a reason. those riots would not have happened -- >> shame on you. >> but for twitter, but for facebook. >> yeah. >> and you look at amazing -- and we will talk about it later today. "new york times" had a story yesterday people were tweeting about health and tweeting about mindfulness and tweeting about, i don't know, flowers and music. and then they stumbled onto some of these conspiracy theories.
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and because facebook's algorithms were set up to cause this sort of radicalism to explode, guess what happened? their likes exploded. the people following them exploded. so you actually had facebook and twitter set up their business models in a way that would lead to the insurrection against the united states of america. it is on them. >> but, joe, the cable outlets, fox, fox business, the new ones who promulgated lies repeatedly every day. and we'll get to this. but some of the hosts are being forced to apologize for lying to their viewers. >> well, because they are being sued for all the lies about these dominion and other vote counting machines. just bold-faced lies. and they knew they were lying all along.
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they knew they were lying to the viewers and spreading the lie to try to get a couple more thousand viewers. and it's landed them in last place now. i wonder if they're glad that they lied for the last several months and put american democracy at risk? because in the end, not a happy ending for them. >> and this is how much our democracy was at risk. there is no footage from inside the capitol on the attack as rioters brawled with police, stormed the building, and rum acknowledged through documents on the senate floor. meanwhile, the "washington post" reports that vice president mike pence wasn't rushed out of the senate chamber until about 14 minutes after the first report of an attempted breach. three sources tell the "post" if the attackers had arrived in the chamber seconds earlier, they would have been in eyesight of the vice president. . >> and they were going around screaming -- >> they had a noose.
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>> -- hang the vice president. >> they brought a noose to the capitol! >> donald trump was the one inciting them against the united states. even though mike pence, his wife, and his children were trapped in the capitol building while the rioters were going around screaming for mike pence's head, trump never called him. never checked on him. never did anything. >> he doesn't care. >> -- to try to protect mike pence and his family. that shows you again the state of this guy's mind while the rioting was going on. he wanted people to be hurt. and he wanted people to be killed. i don't know what other conclusion you draw for that when he knows, he incites people against the vice president. he's gleeful at the violence he sees on the tv according to mike pence and others around donald trump at the time.
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he knew his vice president's life was in danger, and he did nothing about it >> with us, we have mike barnicle, capitol hill correspond skpepbt host of "way too early" kasie hunt is with us. editor of the new yorker, david remnick joins us. president-elect joe biden takes office just two days from noon today. and law enforcement is working to secure the inauguration after the deadly january 6th riot. according to "the associated press", u.s. defense officials are worried about a possible insider attack or threat from service members involved in securing the inauguration. the fbi's vetting all the 25,000 national guard troops coming into d.c. for the event. they are taking second, third looks at every one of the individuals assigned to this operation. and that guard members are also
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getting training on how to identify potential insider threats. meanwhile, the pentagon is warning iran and other adversaries in the middle east not to take advantage of the u.s. domestic security situation to launch attacks against americans. >> yeah. and let me just say that won't end well for you at all. if donald trump is president -- i understand people look at this country and they see chaos on tv at times. i can just tell you -- i know a lot of people overseas watch this show. we know a lot of diplomats watch this show. let me do you a favor right now. all right. if you try to take advantage of the chaos that you see on your television set, i assure you the men and women in the pentagon, they're focused. they're not distracted by the ground noise. and you will pay a heavy price
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for trying to take advantage of the situation right now. that's not empty talk. it's just not. i'm trying to help you out here like i would help out a friend or trying to turn the page on the 20th. and it would be a shame if something happened to your country. because you attacked the united states in any region because of what you're seeing on television sets here and across the world. that's just the reality. so i'm glad, mika, because you know i hate war. eleanor hates war. i'm glad the pentagon posted that statement yesterday. because it is important for our friends and foe alike to know that that just won't end well. . >> u.s. central command since two b-52 bombers from a base in north dakota to the persian gulf
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to deter possible attacks by iran or its militia groups against u.s. troops in the middle east. all right. more now from the new video posted over the weekend by "the new yorker" from inside the riot. reporter luke mogelson has followed the radical fringe of trump supporters for 10 months and attended the january 6th rallies in washington that gave way to the insurrection. and here is some of what he captured. >> who's house? >> our house. >> you're outnumbered. there's a million of us out there. they are listening to your boss, trump. >> let the people in! >> it ain't safe for you guys. >> 1776! >> you afraid of antifa? well, guess what?
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america showed up! >> where are they? >> while we're here, we might as well set up. >> hey, let's take a seat, people. let's take a seat. >> where the [ bleep ] is nancy? >> there's got to be something in here we can use against these scrum bags. hawley, cruz. >> [ bleep ] the blue!
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>> you're gonna run out of mace. that the best you got? >> it's shocking footage david sent to me yesterday morning. i'm grateful for that. and my gosh, everybody that watched this yesterday was shocked. two things that come to mind. two main things come to mind here, david, as we hear donald trump supporters talking about nancy pelosi, hunting for nancy
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pelosi. some wanting to kill her, kill mike pence. one is this law and order party actually is a party of chaos, insurrection, and treason. they keep shouting things about police officers that we can't actually play on this show because apparently only i can say those words on the show but we can't actually play the chants. but they were attacking our police officers, beating them with flags, and killing them. the second thing is donald trump has been bragging, as you know, the past several years about getting american troops home. but as alex was talking to me earlier today brought up we're going to have more people guarding washington, d.c. on the day of our inauguration than -- more troops than are in afghanistan and iraq combined right now. that is the legacy of donald trump's presidency, isn't it?
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>> well, it's part of it. and first let me say my deepest thanks to mogelson, an experienced war correspondent to bring us those videos from the capitol of the united states. and his magnificent editor dan zelesky who worked so hard. it's important to say pause and look where we are. it was a national emergency that this man was elected. look where he brought us despite some of the best efforts of the great institutions of this country we are on the verge of thankfully his exit. he will undoubtedly pardon god knows how many people tomorrow of all kinds of stripes. he has debased this country in ways that really find its deepest expression on the steps of the u.s. capitol. people using perversely using
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slogans like 1776 and expressions they may have learned in the military like information operation. donald trump's rhetoric and his immorality and his debasement of this country that he proposed to lead has led us to a terrible place where our greatest enemy, our greatest fear is from white supremacists domestic terrorism which reached the halls of the u.s. capitol. and you could laugh at the guy with the funny headdress. you can mock this thing or that thing. but it's power. it's ugliness. its conspiracy thinking debased our politics like nothing i have seen or read about since when? since, you know, a century ago. we face a crisis, joe biden faces a myriad of crises that we need to be so serious about.
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i think the tragedy that donald trump has inflicted on this country is hard to underestimate, hard to underestimate. >> go ahead. >> they are firing warnings before. they could not imagine we would reach this on the eve of joe biden's presidency. >> mike barnicle is with us and has a question. mike? >> david, luke's film is incredible. sit a portrait of the enemy within. and the most shocking aspect of it is that when you look and listen to the enemy within you realize they are our neighbors. they are people we know. and they have all been subjected to the contagion of this cult that donald trump tpoeplted in this country. so my question to you is given what we just saw on that film,
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would it not be appropriate for that to be exhibit 1 in the prosecution of donald j. trump for incitement of violence. and would not one of the remedies for communist countries be donald trump serving at least two to three years in jail for fomenting the riot we just witnessed. >> well, i think it's obvious, mike, many people will say, oh, my god, it will just stir things up worse. it seems to me that justice is justice. whether it's somebody who commits a terrible crime in the street. but even more profoundly when they're the president of the united states. not only debases the moral standing of this country, the national security of this country but incites insurrection on his own government.
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how can that not be a sacred duty of the justice department, of the courts, of the congress to get to the bottom of what happened in most meticulous and just way. and if there's justice to be served to have that be the outcome. i think it is imperative that that be the case. >> and let me just say as the conservative i am, the conservative i have always been, i believe if you riot in the streets of portland and if you destroy or tried to destroy a federal courthouse there, you should go to jail. you should go to jail. if you do it at the heart of american democracy, it's more than just trying to scuff up a building. it's actually you're going in there to undermine american
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democracy. you should go to jail. and, yes, the stakes are much higher. so, yes, they all need to go to jail. and all of this talk about let's have unity after kevin mccarthy and josh hawley and ted cruz and, yes, donald trump and donald trump jr. and mr. combat justice rudy giuliani actually incited these riots and spread the lies that led to these riots, they have to face justice. every bit as much as the rioters to portland that so-called law and order conservatives we're talking about earlier or last summer. kasie hunt, i want you to go to david with a question. but i want to ask you about mitch mcconnell for a moment. because the initial reaction the mitch waiting until joe biden's
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presidency to actually have the impeachment trial go before the united states senate, the initial reaction was he was trying to help donald trump. well, that's obviously not the case. because if they had had that vote, if they had rushed that vote, republicans would have voted to acquit him. more and more people started telling me on friday, they believe mitch mcconnell did this because he knew more videos like this were going to come out. and a month into this, two months into this, after law enforcement had done most of their investigations and connected most of the dots, there would be no question that mitch could get closer to the 17 republican vote that he needs. talk about that. and then feel free to ask david a question. >> yeah. i mean, i'm going to be honest with you, joe, incident was really hard for me to watch this new yorker video. those hallways, i go up there
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every day. i've been doing that for 10 years. people like mitch mcconnell have been doing it, many of them since before i was even born. this is a place that means so much to these people. and that's why i think your point is absolutely the right one. it's horrifying what you see in that video. those people on the senate floor rivaling through their documents. and i think the more that comes out, the worse members of congress feel. people that i talked to, they're scared. they're scared about what's going to happen this week. they're still shocked by what happened to them. you know, on that horrible, horrible wednesday. and this really is i think -- what you are saying about how this could change, how this could make moreirense say, you know what, enough. listening to what those people have to say. and, david, i want to go to you on this. it's so clear that this takes a
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leader to create this. this is not something that came from nothing. this is not some grassroots, you know, we had this idea all by ourselves. these people are being led by a president. and the numbers that joe referenced when all of a sudden that misinformation went away, it dropped dramatically. there are a lot of people that are accountable for decisions that have let this president communicate with these people in this way up until this horrible event happened and then there is the president himself. i mean, we don't get there without him, no? >> there are moments in the film that luke mogelson shot and his article that's published on new yorker.com that gives the context of this, which is really important to add to just the raw footage. that at various moments me mouthed the words of donald
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trump. they said we are here at the order of your leader. they know that. and at the same time there is a give and take. the very same leader in interviews i believe on your network refuse to denounce qanon, which has done so much in such a short time to distort the thinking of so many people. there is an old saying about the authoritarian personality, if nothing is true, everything is possible. donald trump advertised the notion that nothing is true. everything was up in the air. everything was contingent. everything was up for grabs when it came to information and fact. and that created a world in which everything is possible. and that reached its peak on the steps of the capitol. i hope it starts there, but that's highly doubtful. >> let us hope it does stop there. so much depends on how much facebook, twitter, cable news outlets allow this
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disinformation to spread. david remnick, we can't thank you enough for coming today. and what extraordinary footage by luke. just extraordinary footage. and you're right, it took a war correspondent to be able to bring that to us unfortunately in our own capitol. david remnick, thank you so much. we really appreciate it stkpwhraofplt yesterday our next guest delivered a sermon at the historic washington national cathedral, presenting it as if it was a letter from st. paul to america. georgetown university sociology professor dr. michael eric dyson joins us now. the author of the book "long time coming." reckoning with race in america. . >> thank you so much for being with us. tell me, michael, what would st. paul tell us on this martin luther king day? >> well, thanks for having me. i'm at vanderbilt now. so i'm grateful to announce to
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you that we are members of the same tribe. >> love it. i think st. paurl would say to us, don't think that you are unique in a way that god has shined special favor on you when you continue to portray to your citizens and to yourselves in the mirror of self reflection a hideous rejection, repudiation of the very principles you change are the predicate of your nation. if you claim that democracy is real, if you claim that sharing resources is real, if you claim that justice is real, how can you deny it to the very members of your society who most deserve it? and when we look at the capitol, we see a group of people enraged. and let's be honest, one of the princes of american journalist david remnick was just on your
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show speaking about something we have to grapple with. that is what white supremacy is at the heart of so much of what we see going on. in one sense, many of those who stormed the capitol were angry at other white lawmakers for not having held in check some of the expansion of democracy to the masses that they thought were problematic. african-american people in particular. but when we look at the history of anti-semitism and anti-muslin beliefs and anti-mexican sentiment, the gaggle of bigots that gathered there suggests to us this is not simply a political matter. it is a matter of morality. it is a matter of national vision. and st. paul would say to us, be extremely careful in believing that your nation above all has been blessed by god. other nations have felt the same way. st. paul would say i dealt with the roman empire. they thought they were pretty special too. but the common theme that binds
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all these nations is the blindness to its own critical faults and failures that need to be taken into account if the nation is to rise to the ideals that it nobly expresses. >> nobly expresses. and nobly expressed from the very beginning of course on this martin luther king day. it was interesting that mlk would often quote thomas jefferson. >> right. >> and jefferson's ultimate promise to this nation, which shows contradictions and as eddie glaude said, wrap around the very foundations of this country that, yes, we were founded by brilliant political philosophers who wrote documents and freed more people than any other political documents in the history of mankind. and yet they were slave owners. and it is important to note
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this. they were slave owners after slavery was moving into being a peculiar institution in the south. you could have said that in the 14th, 15th century. but by 1776, going into the 1800s, it was becoming a peculiar institution in the south and the south alone. >> that's true, joe. he did quote thomas jefferson or even abraham lincoln. he said something the night before he was murdered. america, all we ask is that you be true to what you said on paper so the transformant and to transfer it from parchment to pavement, from ink to the traditions of american society on the ground. and it's extremely important to recall that even if the declaration of independence, when you look beyond those opening words and you look at
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where afternoons are characterized interestingly enough as, quote, direct insurrectionists. and merciless of sapblgs. so the document to make certain we are shoring up america's commitment to justice that we are making sure that we pay attention to the an sta cals, impediments that prevent us from flourishing that in that very document is contained some of the most extraordinarily racist arguments that can be made. so what we say ultimately is we use the best of thomas jefferson. we use the genius of monticello of democratic engagement to argue against the worst of our nation as abraham lincoln said, the better angels of our nature against what we might frame the demons on of our failed democracy. >> is you know, that's such a brilliant way to put that, michael. and i guess it's the lawyer in
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me that he ever time i read or hear martin luther king quoting the slaveholder who wrote the declaration of independence, i smile. because he's using his words as a sword and when he is in birmingham jail as a shield against the other reality of america. i want to ask you on this very special day, you brought up one of the most extraordinary speeches in martin luther king's life. that april 3rd, 1968 speech in memphis as john meacham and his voorde podcast explains to us. martin luther king wasn't feeling well. he didn't want to get up. he didn't want to give the speech. ralf abernathy had stalled the crowd as long as he could. and they said, you've got to come, martin.
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you've got to come and give the speech to the people. they're here for you. so king gets out in the driving rain. he's exhausted. he doesn't want to do it. and he gets up and delivers one of the great speeches in american history. >> of all time. >> and he talks about longevity. it has its place. but he doesn't care if he lives or dies. and he talks about god is taking him up to the mountain. and he has seen the other side. he's seen the other side. for you personally, as you've heard those words your entire life, as you have read the words your employer life, what do you think martin luther king saw on the other side of that mountain? >> wow. such breathtaking beauty with which you described the extraordinary last day of martin
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luther king jr.'s life. i have written two books on martin luther king jr. the death and how it changed america. and what you just summarized is so poignant, so profound, so provocative. here was a man, as you said, it was raining cats and dogs. he had been threatened on the way to memphis on the plane. because he says in that speech, some have talked about what some of our sick white brothers will do to me. here is a man under the threat of death. let's be honest, joe, let's be even more transparent. martin luther king jr. was at a point where he was at the nater of his popular appeal. he was twice on america's most admired list. yet this last year he did not appear on the list. no universities wanted to hear preupl. no book publisher wanted to publish his book.
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he is seen as a pariah because of his critique of the vietnam war. and david remnick provided me an essay describing his auto mortality. he is speaking of his own death. and on that very night when he's not feeling well, he has to get up and shave, go to the temple because he doesn't want to go to a small crowd. because a small crowd will reinforce the perception that he is no longer relevant. so he didn't feel like going to put up with that. ralph abernathy said there are 2,000 or more people waiting for you. so he rushed over there, can you imagine, on the spot, he delivers one of the greatest speeches he ever gave but america has ever heard. he said there is a little white girl from white plains, new york, who wrote me a letter after she found out i had been stabbed by a demented woman from harlem. all she said was dear dr. king, i'm so happy that you didn't sneeze. he took that as a refrain and
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said had i sneezed i would have drowned in my own blood and it would have been all over. so he uses the refrain of a little white girl from white plains, new york, to characterize his belief of the persistence of his life. e end when he said i've gone up like moses on the mountain top and perhaps like moses i will not get to the promised land but i promise that you will get to the promised land. that eternal hope that burned brightly within him, even in the last day of his life was an extraordinary flame that should light our path to freedom even today. . >> vanderbilt university michael eric dyson. what an inspirational conversation. still ahead on "morning joe", we'll look at social media's outsized role in the u.s. capitol riot. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. ching "morn. we'll be right back. i just don't have the bandwidth for more business.
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committee staff member, implicitly acknowledging that the network had for years repeatedly hyped a false claim that seth rich was involved in leaking dnc emails during the 2016 presidential campaign. the "new york times" reports fox's decision to settle with the rich family came just before its marquis hosts lou dobbs and sean hannity were set to be questioned under oath in the case, a potentially embarrassing moment. but there was one curious provision that fox insisted on, the settlement had to be kept secret for a month until after the november 3rd election. the exhausted plaintiffs agreed. fox news and their lawyer declined to answer questions from the times on the matter. misinformation about election fraud took a huge dive after
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several social media sites suspended president trump and his key allies, the "washington post" reports. it declined 73%. according to data from a research lab about election fraud dropped from 2.5 million mentions to 688,000 mentions across several social media sites the week after trump was banned from twitter. twitter banned trump on january 8th, two days after the capitol riots, the "post" reports. the findings highlight how falsehoods flow across social media sites, reinforcing and amplifying each other and offer an early indication of how concerted actions against misinformation can make a difference. meanwhile, "new york times" writer stewart thompson and charlie warzel had an opinion
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pink how right wing influencers from embraced extremist views and how facebook rewarded them. facebook's algorithms have coaxed many people for showing more extreme views on the platform. rewarding them for likes and shares for posts on subjects like election fraud conspiracies. >> the mass followers enhance, solicit occasional donations and maybe sell a few t-shirts. the rest of us are left with democracy buckling under the weight of citizens living in an alternate reality.
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that is so well point. joining us carol cadwalter. she broke the facebook story where a whistle-blower described how the firm linked to former trump adviser bannon targeted american voters during the 2016 election. she has now analyzed and critiqued facebook's content moderation decisions, policies and other issues called the real facebook oversight board. thank god for her. >> greatly appreciate it. mika and i loved your ted talk. >> loved it. it was so compelling. >> this really came on the heels of the twitter study, showing misinformation dropped 73% when twitter stopped allowing the president of the united states to lie about american democracy, to lie about his opponents, to
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lie about elections. you combine twitter, the tobgs i.d.ity that they made off of donald trump's reign and what facebook has been able to do. they had a lot to do, not only with the insurrection but with american democracy and democracy across the globe being severely damaged. >> i mean, it's just -- it is almost impossible i think to sort of sum up really that the damage that facebook has done and continues to do. i think one of the astonishing things a few people have mentioned during this week, it's facebook's own research that shows 62% of people who are on this facebook group have done so as a result of their
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recommendation algorithm. it has been an engine for radicalization. and not just in america but across the world. but certainly in america i think that is now what we are seeing, the chickens are coming home to roost. and the result -- the events of last week i really do think we will and can track a direct line from post incitement on facebook to violence and action on the ground. >> and, you know, mike barnicle, this isn't the first time after the assassination of the federal law enforcement officer in oakland during the black lives matter marches, which of course many people on the far right immediately tried to blame on the marchers. it was the boogaloo boys. facebook, through algorithms,
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pushed people to these right wing extremist sites, promoting violence. nothing ever changes with facebook. nothing ever changes. they are undermiing american democracy. and nobody does anything about it, the united states capitol. >> well, thus far, that's correct, joe. they have skated away from every element of responsibility on things they should have been held responsible for. and, carol, you can actually say with some certainty that here in the united states of america, facebook could be found guilty of being an accessory before and after the fact of so much that's wrong with this country, so much of what enveloped this country, as joe just mentioned, just one thing. so if it comes down to in the next four years with the democratic control senate and house for at least two years, what kinds of regulations could be implemented to control facebook? >> i think as well as
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regulation, it's the point you say there, which there is a fact of holding to account. you know, one of the things which actually blew my mind in the last couple of days is the fact that you referenced the cambridge analytics story which i reported on. of course that operation harvested the date. steve bannon was vice president when that was harvested from facebook. steve bannon's account is still active on facebook. even after he called for his head on a pipe. and just two days ago, steve bannon was active in private facebook groups inciting protesters to go to washington and to -- well, i think he hesitated from inciting violence but certainly to stop the steal was the terminology he used. one of the things -- sorry.
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one of the things which baffles me and baffles everybody, i think, is that there is no transparency with facebook. we have no idea why facebook put down trump's account but left bannon's up because it is opaque about these processes. the only opinion you can draw is facebook finally took action against trump's account because we have an incoming biden administration. >> that's it. carol, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you so much, carol. >> to her point -- >> mika, the amazing thing, i just want to underline this really quickly, the algorithms at facebook actually promote this extremism. they promote the extremism within. >> i know. but to her point about, you know, getting ready for joe biden. this is some last minute suck up by twitter or facebook, all you've done is shown just how
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impactful everything that you have been doing so far has been in terms of spreading disinformation. you have shown how it drops the minute you actually take action. you have shown that you should have done this a long time ago. and perhaps there wouldn't be people dead. perhaps there wouldn't be people following false scientific information about the coronavirus. perhaps there wouldn't have been some sort of insurrection at the capitol that was promulgated all over your sites. perhaps there wouldn't be so much hatred and disinformation. you have shown that. it drops just by one random act that you decided to take at the very last minute. i mean, really honestly, the leadership of facebook is pathetic. sheryl sandberg, mark zuckerberg, you are pathetic. you make absolutely no reason about your actions. you could have done this a long time ago. you decided to do it now.
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huh? i wonder who is going to be president now? maybe this will make them happy. no, you have just shown him why you need to be shut down. you need to be shutdown. nobody needs what you have to offer. you have destroyed this country. quite frankly, it's still happening right now. >> not just destroyed this country. destroyed democracies -- >> i'm sorry. one more thing. the little sheryl sandberg and mark -- we're working so hard. who are you to say that? follow the law. follow the law that publishers have to follow. follow the restrictions that anybody has to follow when they put something out in the public domain. >> well, first of all, they are publishers. >> that's what they are. >> they are publishers. section 230 is ridiculous. right now fox news has been threatened with lawsuits. they have been sued for spreading disinformation. facebook and twitter spreads it.
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multitudes more. and they're protected. because for some reason information -- twitter, facebook are able to write their own laws because they're never regulated. even when they're undermining american democracy. it's the same thing of course with twitter. you talked about zuckerberg, sandberg. let's talk about jack dorsey with twitter. we talked to twitter. they were pathetic. >> oh, my god. >> and scared. >> they lied to us. they said they were going to take care of matters. they didn't for us. they were backed in a corner and knew they had to do it, they suddenly started marking tweets with disinformation. but think about this. once twitter tried to suck up to joe biden and took donald trump's account away, again, disinformation about this election that led to these
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riots, that led to insurrection against the united states of america dropped by over 73%. >> you have shown you're the problem. >> look at the "new york times" article yesterday that shows, again, their business model, their business all they have done is show they have the problem. let me tell you something, they need to be regulated. they need to be broken up in a million pieces. in antitrust law means anything, and i know people in the far right don't want antitrust law to mean anything, if it means anything, facebook will be broken up into a million little pieces. not for punitive reasons, but
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because in america there is some of us who still believe in competition. there is some of us who still believe that antitrust laws were put in place to promote entrepreneurship, to promote competition, to promote the blossoming of a million new tech ideas. they can't do that as long as there is a monopoly by the name of facebook. >> i need to relax a little bit because that topic makes me angry. a number of people have received calls from facebook top executives and they try to sprinkle fairy dust over all of us and they, we need to get better. no, we won't. you need to go away. >> let's do something that will make you feel better, the part of the week that makes you the happiest. we will bring in roger bennett
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to the strains of roger calling. roger was in 1978 when this album came out. it looks like he's still in his bedroom. roger -- >> micah, i always like to join you. hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark, america. >> that is all you can say, roger. and speaking of liverpool, how can americans not appreciate the excitement, the thrill, the death defying ups and downs, the peaks and valleys -- >> i'm exhausted. >> -- of a 0-0 tie. take us through it. >> two american-owned teams, defending champions, liverpool, roll your tape. they hosted top of the table manchester united.
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a pair of rivals from two northern cities just 35 miles apart. neither really showed it on this day. the game itself, bit like having to watch a my pillow commercial on a loop over and over. pandemic schedule has the players exhausted. united almost won it. everything but the goals in this one. 0-0. again, defending champion liverpool stumbling, constipated. three matches out a goal now. manchester united top of the table now. >> it is so frustrating. how good is alison, though? he's an extraordinary goalkeeper. >> he's a remarkable man. give the people what we want. could we just go to sheffield.
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>> that was quite a game. >> look at this trajectory, wind speed. i love it when sports transcends the mundane of merely mortal. an early contender for this year's pulitzer prize. oh, drink it in. drink it in. one more to lester who faced south hampton. and the winner, his names is james madison, possibly named after our fourth president, finishing from an acute angle. let's have a look at it. the straight, just the celebration. in a week the premier league released new protocols asking each other to stop touching each other after the goals. polite handshakes, air high fives. football can connect us and you need this, a laugh at the
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surreal absurdies of our predicament. thank you, football. >> thank you, roger. give us an update on your everton club. >> they're going to win the league and the chicago bears are going to win the super bowl. you can bank on it. >> can we get him off? thank you. >> i miss you, roger. >> roger bennett. >> we will see you this time, same time, same bat channel next week. up next -- >> hold on a second, you got to watch. >> what? >> listen, i know there are a lot of people suffering out this. can we put this up? there we go. a lot of people suffering, whether it is a skin condition or male pattern baldness. i guarantee you if you watch the "men in blazers" show tuesday, january the 19th, talk about
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this show. what are we going to see on january the 19th. >> baldness is truth. you will see christian politically greet us. i must say, american democracy in dark times, american men's football has never been better. let's hope there is not an inverse relationship between the two. micah, enough creepiness for one day, back to you. >> thank you. you are darn right. okay. up next, shocking new footage from inside the capitol insurrection as trump supporters storm in shouting, where are they? where's nancy? and then find the senate floor where they rifle through documents left by lawmakers who were rushed to safety. more from the new yorkers. plus, the unprecedented level of security around the biden-harris inauguration with officials fearing the possibility of an insider attack. "morning joe" is coming right
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the bottom line is i believe donald trump would be an absolute disaster for the republican party, destroy conservative as we know it. we would get wiped out. >> it would destroy our party. i hope the republican senators know that because it is a reality, and it will not help the country. the most important thing,
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impeaching him after he leaves office will be disastrous for our country and our party. >> in 2016 lindsey graham said electing donald trump would destroy the republican party. now he says convicting him would do the same. >> it is interesting because lindsey at one point had said, maybe a week ago, week after ago after the riots, after we find out the rioters were coming to kill mike pence, the vice president of the united states, and were coming to kill nonsy pelosi and, in fact, we have news that they were only minutes away, possibly seconds away. >> seconds. >> from running into mike pence, getting mike pence and doing serious bodily damage to him, possibly killing him, his family. and now lindsey is saying, wait a second. i just -- don't impeach him. please don't impeach him. but after mike pence and nancy pelosi and other members of
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congress' lives are on the line, lindsey said, i'm off this. i'm done with this. i'm done with donald trump. and a couple idiots chased him through the airport. he switched his position. i'll tell you what, a couple idiots chased me through the airport, it's not going to be my problem. it's going to be theirs. i'm surprised that lindsey is so weak that a couple people yell at him and he jumps on the plane with the president the next day. it is sad and pathetic. >> these are the weak minds that trump preys upon. >> just a weak man. a very, very weak man. >> let's take everyone through where we are at because a lot transpired over the weekend and a lot more came out about the assault at the capitol. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, january 18th. with us we have the white house reporter jonathan ami, and eddy
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jor and u.s. national editor at the financial times, ed loose is with us this morning. with a little more than two days until joe biden will be sworn in, law enforcement is still grappling with the fall-out from the deadly january 6th riot and security around washington, d.c. is ramping up. according to the associated defense, u.s. defense officials are worried about a possibly insider attack or threat from service members involved. >> an inside threat. an inside threat in america. >> the fbi is vetting all of the 25,000 national guard troops coming into d.c. for the event. army secretary ryan mccarthy tells the a.p., they are take and a third look at every one of the individuals assigned to this operation and that guard members are also getting training on how to identify potential insider threats.
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meanwhile, we continue to learn more information and see more video from the january 6th capitol hill riots. the new yorker published staggering new footage over the weekend from inside the riot. reporter luke mobileson has followed trump supporters for ten months and attended the january 6th rallies in washington that gave way to the insurrection. >> by the way, he is a veteran war correspondent, and here we have donald trump's own war, donald trump's own insurrection inside our constitutional republic. micah, how disgraceful are these actions of these people that you saw in the video? >> well, it gets worse. as more and more video comes out, you realize there is no turning back from this as being complete and total criminal activity that needs to be held accountable. that's what happens in this
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country. >> and listen. several times that these cop killers actually are chanting f the cops, f the cops, screaming and accusing the cops, beating police officers with american flags. and, yes, it is not antifa, it's maga. >> no, they say who sent them. >> and they talk and they brag about who sent them and said ted cruz would want us to be here over and over again. watch this. >> who's house? >> there's a million of us out there and we are just being controlled. >> let the people in. >> where's the exit? >> 1776! >> guess what? america showed up. where the [ bleep ] are they?
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where are they? >> while we're here, we might as well set up the government. >> hey, let's take a seat, people. let's take a seat. >> nancy pelosi. where the [ bleep ] is nancy? >> there has got to be something here. >> break all the windows!
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>> is that all you've got? that's all you got? >> look. >> ted cruz's objection. >> look, he was going to sell us out all along. objection to county electoral votes on the state of arizona. >> all right. all right. >> it looks like we're watching an insurrection from a foreign
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country, fascist thugs overrunning democratic institutions, in some eastern european land, but it is here in washington, d.c. as we learned last night, donald trump's insurrection and donald trump's efforts to have a coup, which we have been talking about for quite some time. we wanted to rile people up and have a coup. let's led to this and now even the national guard is having the fbi check to make sure there is not an inside job to kill elected american officials, including the president and vice president of the united states. >> yeah. the -- i mean, really stark footage i think underlines something that's very true about fascist kind of movements is there is a mixture of horror
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there and a degree of comedy. the comedy being just how ridiculously it informed and unrealistic these people were, not just the ones wearing weird costumes, but the ones wandering in like tourists saying, let's set up the government. i think that you have got a situation now with the national guard and other law enforcement being given very thorough background checks by the fbi where we're worried not about a recurrence of that on wednesday but what i think of as the indian leader and the egyptian leader killed by their own guards, assassinated by their own guards. i can imagine that is a nightmarish headache for the secret service to be looking at
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because a lot of people in that building on that very stark footage were off duty policemen from other states. there were some serving military there and of course there are a number of capitol hill police being questioned for sympathies with the insurgents. the idea of anarchy on wednesday with 25,000 troops in this city probably -- probably unlikely. the idea of something else happening and pipe bombs included cannot be ruled out. i would not wish to be working for the secret service or the fbi this week. >> of course you brought up sadot. had those been muslim insurrectionists, they would have all been shotted and kill in the capitol and it would have been taken care of. instead, we see there is still a threat to the united states of america. these traitors that busted in
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and wanted to kill mike pence, the vice president of the united states, wanted to kill nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, wanted to kill the number two and number three ranking constitutional officers to behead our constitutional government so what? so donald trump could run the whole thing himself. yeah, doesn't work that way in america, kids. jonathan, you are hearing increasing concerns inside law enforcement about the -- about the actual inauguration itself and the desire that joe biden perform that ceremony like ronald reagan did inside where they can secure the location. so far the biden team still wants to do it outside, right? >> joe, that is right. i was moving around downtown washington tonight days ahead of the inauguration and it is
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striking. there has been a lot of comparison to the green zone established in baghdad at the beginning of the iraq war and some of the parallels seem fitting. here we are in an american capitol city and street after street is blocked off by armed guard making it impossible to get around washington. setting the stage for what we will see here this week. the idea of looking at any potential inside job, the fbi vetting national guards man. that goes with what the secret service has been setting the biden campaign in recent days, one of their concerns would be an influx of national guardsmen or local police worried that there could be a threat posed from within. and they have been leaning on the biden campaign in recent days to really consider.
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let's be clear. the secret service always looks for the most safe, cautious approach. they are going to present the principal, in this case the president-elect, a list of options. there has been fears that something could happen. of course we have been on a high alert since the capitol attack, but there is a new wave of threat that has picked up in the last couple of days. they are urging the president-elect to really something moving something indoors to a more secure facility. the biden team says no. obviously this inauguration was going to look different any way because of the pandemic. we will not see hundreds of thousands of people here. there are some visitors moving around washington right now, but it will be a much smaller group than usual because biden has told people, americans, watch this at home. celebrate at home. it is just not safe because of the pandemic. now of course there is security concerns from fellow americans which is such a hard thing to
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get our heads around here as we look to move for a transfer of power. but for now, joe, president-elect biden does want the symbolism. he wants this as a first sign to try to heal america. he wants to adhere to tradition as best as he can at noon on wednesday. >> still ahead, new reporting that the rally that led to the insurrection on the capitol wasn't just grass roots trump supporters but organized by members of the president's failed campaign and other allies. that's next on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪
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bounce forward with comcast business. get started with a powerful internet and voice solution for just $64.90 a month. plus, for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. switch today. members of president trump's failed presidential campaign played key roles in organizing the washington rally that spawned the assault on the capitol. according to an associated press
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review of records, undercutting claims the event was the brain child of the president's grass roots supporters. the a.p. reports a pro trump nonprofit group called women for america first posted. but an attachment to the national parks service public gathering permit granted to the group lists more than half a dozen people in staff positions for the event who just weeks earlier had been paid thousands of dollars by trump's 2020 re-election campaign. other staff scheduled to be on site during the demonstration have close ties to the white house. in a statement, the president's re-election campaign said it did not organize, operate or finance the event and no members were involved in the operation of the rally. it said that if any former employees or independent contractors for the campaign
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took part, they did not do to at the direction of the trump campaign. the a.p.'s review found at least three of the trump campaign aids named on the permit rushed to obscure their connections to the demonstration. they deactivated or locked down their social media profile, removed tweets that referenced the rally and blocked a reporter who asked questions. those aids include caroline ren, a veteran gop fundraiser named as vip adviser on an attachment to the rally permit between mid-march and mid-november donald j. trump for president incorporated paid her $20,000 a month according to federal election commission records. and maggie mulvaney, a niece of mick mulvaney, who was listed on the permit attachment as the vip
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lead. records show maggie was earning $5,000 every two weeks with the most recent payment reported on november 13th. the personal accounts of the capitol rioters revealed the impact of president trump's words on his most loyal supporters. some felt called to washington by trump's false claims of a stolen election, while others believed they were carrying out the president's direct orders at his rally that day. according to a criminal complaint, a retired firefighter charged with assaulting members of the copal police force told a friend he went to the building following, quote, the president's instructions. and this is what a texas real estate agent accused of breaching the capitol told a reporter about her involvement. >> i thought i was following my president. i thought i was following what we were called to do. he asked us to be there, so i was doing what he asked us to
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do. >> all right. so -- >> she's, by the way, asking for a pardon. >> yeah. she's asking for a pardon, exactly. so, eddy, donald trump, donald trump's campaign, donald trump supporters, people that were getting paid a lot of money by the trump campaign and then decided to organize this riot are trying to run but, you know, there is nowhere to run, baby. nowhere to hide, i think the supreme saying that money. there is really not. by the time the feds are finished investigating this, they have got a trail that leads straight back to donald trump, straight back to donald trump's campaign. and this is only the beginning of the investigation. >> only the beginning, joe. and you're right.
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there is no way they can hide from this. there is a sense in which we have known for the last four years, since donald trump came down the escalator, that his objective has been to exploit, to leverage, a sense of disaffection and grievance. we have heard in the run-up to the election, during the election and post election, donald trump trying to delegitimize our votes of particularly african-americans and, again, to leverage, to play on the sense of resentment, grievance and alienation of a particular part of this constituency. we also know for the last four years he's been lying through his teeth. so the default position is not to believe them. it is to think they're lying. john, i'm sitting here thinking about this in terms of u.s. history in the mid-20th century. we're not -- the united states is not innocent of political assassination.
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we're not innocent of kind of discord. i'm thinking about that extraordinarily difficult period between '63 and '68 where we watched the assassination of john f. kennedy, the assassination of martin king, the assassination of bobby kennedy. what was at the heart of it? is that america of morphing. we were changing and trying to address a central contradiction at the heart of the country. here we are in the midst of this, the sacking of the people's house, the selfishness of a political leader and we are dealing with that contradiction right now. >> coming up, new reporting that capitol police anticipaing an attack by trump reporters requested backup days before the insurrection but were denied. we'll have that part of the story next on "morning joe."
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stands at 116 people. that's expected to increase as a law enforcement official tells nbc news that there are still more than 300 open cases. the fbi says that it's received tips containing more than 150,000 separate photos and videos. "the washington post" reports that u.s. capitol police had intelligence three days before the attack warning that the capitol itself might be targeted by angry trump supporters. >> and let me stop right there again. let's keep talking about this, but what if they had been warned three days before? eddy, i'll go back to you. what if they had been warned three days before that angry black protesters talking about insurrection were going to be coming to the capitol. think they may have prepared differently? there were capitol hill cops doing all they could do. you look at the video. >> they were outnumbered. >> and many of them are heroes.
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there are a couple that deserve the presidential medal of freedom. >> yes. >> but this is important to remember. none of this would have happened if it had been angry black radical insurrectionists bragging about a coming rally and riot in the nation's capitol to over turn election results. eddy, i'll just put that ball on the tee, and you just hit that ball out of the park. >> yeah. yeah. you know, hopefully. it seems to me it's very clear that in this country, there is a version of citizenship for some people, that they're free to dissent, that they're free to express their ownership of the country, their sense that america is theirs and there are others of us that need to just shut up and be grateful. and that different expression of citizenship, joe, was on full view, right, on january 6th. >> full view. >> and folks wouldn't have made it to the capitol, joe.
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they would have been at their homes locking folks up. we know that. if they would have showed up, we would have had numbers of body bags. we know that, joe. we know it. >> let me continue with the reporting. that intel i was talking about according to "the new york times" prompted capitol police to ask for additional help from the national guard but sources tell the times that two officials denied the request without checking in with majority leader mitch mcconnell or house speaker nancy pelosi. former sergeants at arms tell the paper that the officials who have since resigned would most likely have had to check in with congressional leaders before making such important decisions. >> let's bring in right now the former chief of staff of the cia and department of defense national security analyst jeremy bash. jeremy, where is this investigation going? >> well, the recriminations are
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flying, joe. you have the capitol police saying they wanted support but those were denied. you have the national guard folks saying they offered to support the january 6th events and the capitol police denied it. i think the reality is what you are seeing, all this activity by the fbi, by law enforcement, that's all great. but that's all right of the boom. intelligence, you want to be left of the room. you want to be way out ahead of the events. i think we will have to reset our entire intelligence approach to these white supremacists militias, these dangerous ultra nationalist organizations. we will have to look at greater surveillance of them. the fbi will have to run confidential sources. we will have to penetrate these plots long before they present a violent threat to our democracy if we want to have any hope of stopping these in the future. >> so, jeremy, what do we do? what can law enforcement
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agencies do to make sure that you don't have judges who are sympathetic to the insurrectionists, who are sympathetic. we saw the picture of the man who invaded nancy pelosi's office and kicked his feet up on her desk. i got the news a judge had released him already. what do we do to make sure that judges who are sympathetic to insurrection against the united states of america don't do what that judge did? how can the charging authorities make sure that these people stay in jail? >> boy, that's hard, joe, because federal judges have lifetime tenure, so you are relying essentially on the appellate courts to overall idiotic decisions by lower courts to release people who pose a clear and present danger. joe, i have to also say. i think that although a lot of the recriminations and a lot of the analysis discuss the
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security modalities of january 6th and what's happening for the inauguration, i think we need a blue ribbon commission to look at the bigger issue in our country, which is the big lie. people don't get radicalized overnight. this was a long, deliberate effort by political leaders led by donald trump to brainwash, to create a cult, to basically a big lie. it started with a small lie. my inauguration crowd was bigger than someone else's. it morphed into a big lie. if you look at the history of terrorist organizations, they always have at the center of it a big lie. >> coming up, reflecting on the legacy of dr. martin luther king jr. his eldest son martin luther king iii joins us. "morning joe" will be right back.
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many of the people who supported us in selma, in birmingham, were really outraged about the extremist behavior toward negros, but they were not at that moment and they are not now committed to genuine equality for negros. it is much easier to integrate a lunch counter that guarantee an annual income to get rid of poverty. it is much easier to integrate a bus than it is to make genuine integration a reality and quality education a reality in our schools. it's much easier to integrate even a public park than it is to get rid of slums. and i think we are in a new era, a new phase of the struggle where we have moved from a struggle for decency which characterized our struggle for 10 or 12 years to a struggle for
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genuine equality. >> and that is a struggle we are still in 53 years later. >> yeah. so late dr. martin luther king jr. speaking to nbc news approximately one year before he was assassinated in 1968. look at us now. joining us now martin luther king iii, a global human rights leader. it carries on his legacy through the organization. also with us, president of the institute, andrea king and host of msnbc politics nation, reverend al sharpton joins us as well. >> dr. king, i had asked earlier this morning when your father was in memphis on april the 3rd, 1968 giving a speech the night
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before he died, he talked about god blessing him by letting him get up to the mountain top and looking over to the other side. what do you think he saw there? >> he saw something that is yet to be seen. he saw a nation where freedom and justice and equality would be real for all human kind, a nation where we were turning to each other, not turning on each other as we seem to be doing now. not a divided states of america, but he saw a true united states of america, and that is what we must work toward. >> andrea, your thoughts of what has happened over the past ten days and what it has revealed as to where we are in this struggle toward progress? >> i think what it has revealed is how much work we have to do.
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all of us saw we went through everything last year with all of the protests. and out of all of the signs, the one that stayed with me the most is when george floyd called for his mother, all mothers came. it also was about that mother bear, the mothering spirit in all of us and in our nation was summoned and what we have seen these past few days is how much more work that we have to do together. but in spite of it, i still am hopeful that this year we can finally find the strength to love and find the interconnectiveness in all of life and trulyive up to the ideals. for us to really live to the ideals of martin luther king and create a beloved community.
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>> and reverend al sharpton, you of course were there on the ground in minneapolis, not only with the family of george floyd but also some of the other families who have lost members of their family over the past year. 2020 has also been obviously for black americans, especially an extraordinary terrible year battling covid, which disto portion natalie affects black americans. do you see reasons to hope as we have left 2020 and moved into 2021, a reason to hope that there is an awakening on the horizon? >> certainly i see hope because i think that in the midst of a fight you see the fight. but i think as you quoted dr. king's last public sermon where he looked from the mountain top, you got to be able to see where
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you're going and you have to be able to know that with faith, which is something you can't quantify but something you feel that you will get there and he promised us we'd get there. so in the middle of even fighting the george floyd fight and martin and i having the commitment march that you showed the picture of over 200,000 people there with no incidence, it was to bring in some of the issues. and the hope i see is that we are seeing this wednesday one of the most racist, bigoted presidents in american history, certainly one in our lifetime, but he is sandwiched between the first black president and the first woman white president. he will be the bad meat in the middle of what america could be. we have to be fighting for what
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america could be. i have to say the bible said, jesus said pick up your cross and follow me. don't admire me. follow me. martin picked up his father's cross and we beared it with him. andrea is a stabilizer. keeping him grounded. andrea is to him and me and everybody that works in the movement, when we call the march on washington, she said, you fellas do understand there is a pandemic. you're going to have to do this, that and others. so i congratulated you. you landed andrea. >> she serves the same purpose that micah said she served in her family, the diplomat. >> and the enforcer. >> and the enforcer, okay. i want to follow up on something that andrea said. i think it's so important.
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your father would be the first to say don't lionize me. don't worship me. just learn from what i have done and continue the battle. we see lionize people after they're gone and for good reason. we have lionized your father. but i think it would be great for you to explain how tough it was for your father, even that last year. he wasn't radical enough for the radicals. he was -- he wasn't conservative enough for the moderate whites. he was speaking out in vietnam, so he lost the whites. he kept his back turned on violence so a lot of the black power movement moved away from him and he lived an isolated, lonely year that last year and, yet, he kept carrying that cross. tell us about that final year. >> you know, you're absolutely correct. most people don't realize. they assume that he was always
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loved and revered. quite frankly, the last few years of his life he was a marked man. and particularly on april 4th, 1967, one year from the date that he was killed that he delivered a sermon at the riverside church about the vietnam war and why he opposed the war, not just opposing it but talking about what constructively could have been done to avert the war itself and how we needed to move from that particular point. so the whole nation, the civil rights community, those who supported him, everyone turned against him. he was in a very lonely and dark place. so it was not -- and if you get polling, over two-thirds of the people were against what he was talking about. but he endured anyway because his faith was with god. he knew what he was doing was not necessarily for man and he
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had to stand up for justice, for righteousness for truth knowing that god would be with him, even if every god, every woman, every man abandoned him. but he continued to do what was thinks in heart. as a result, yes, it did tragically lead to death. he was killed because he was talking about a radical redistribution of wealth in our nation. ironically today, 50 plus years later, we're talking about a basic guaranteed income, which is what he was talking about, a living wage. we are still trying to get the minimum wage raised in some cases. but all of these things are what got him killed. but he was willing to give his life for what he believed in. he conquered the love of wealth and the fear of death. when you do that, care about wealth and when you are not
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afraid to die, i think dad demonstrated that to all of us. >> andrea, how much is this day about claretta scott king and her contribution to the mlk legacy and to where we are today? >> well, let's be clear that there wouldn't be a martin luther king holiday if it weren't for her. when you think about what she accomplished not only as a mother but as a single mother, the fact that we have this day, that we are reflecting on martin luther king. she went and met with every single member of congress and senate over a 15-year period, i believe. this is something that she worked for. this is something that she organized. this is something that she committed her life to, that martin luther king would not be a slogan on a shirt, that we would continue to expand and
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continue his work and legacy. but also let us remember that she was an activist before she married martin luther king jr. he was a peace activist in her days at antioch college. she was always involved. this was not something that she ran into. it was something that he was and martin luther king jr. was fortunate to find a wonderful partner. >> you know, rev, reverend sharp ton, we look back over the civil rights era and it is often events like the birmingham church bombing, the freedom marchers being brutalized, the march across edmond pettis bridge that did awaken who martin luther king called white moderates who wanted to sit on the sidelines and do nothing. i'm wondering, do you think the
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last four years of donald trump, his administration and the last few weeks of the chaos we have seen in washington, d.c., could do the same thing? >> i really do believe that because, because, you know, wyatt t. walker who was one of dr. king's executive directors chaired the board of the network, he combed the south when they were fighting. they wanted someone that would be the symbol of what they were fighting and they went to birmingham with reverend shuttlesworth. they knew he'd be brutal. politically donald trump has become like the bull connor. he took all of the wrappers off, all of the filter off and showed america raw bigotry and racism and a lot of americans said, wait a minute, i don't want to be that. i think that combined with the
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get your knee off my neck with george floyd showing people who were comfortable saying it's not me, i have to do something and that's why martin and andrea and i and others saying we have to do it in the king way. you can't just do right by not acting right in the process and a lot of us cannot become the opposite in terms of the politics but the same in terms of conduct and that's what mrs. king would always reprimand people like me about, watch your language, al, you can't be what you're fighting. we have to fight trumpism without becoming trump like. >> martin, your final thought today, with an inauguration a few days away, the turning of the page on both sides of pennsylvania avenue, what would you want americans to hear this morning on martin luther king day as we move forward, and what would you like members of the
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biden administration and republicans and democrats alike on the hill to take with them today? >> you know, i think what we know is the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first steps. we are charting new ground in a real sense. as i said we leave an era of a divided america. we must now create an era of a united america, united we stand, divided we fall. and so my hope is, i know that president-elect biden and vice president-elect harris are going to usher in a new era of bringing people together. it's already been affected by what their cabinet, president-elect has chosen looks like. it's reflected in terms of the spirit of bringing people together. it's reflected in terms of focusing on the pandemic, focusing on getting americans back to work, focusings on police brutality and misconduct, focusing on climate change, focusing on health care, all of these issues we know, when people are serviced, when an
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economy is rebuilt, then americans can go back to some sense of normalcy and all of this foolishness will go away because it really is foolishness. we are a nation that is so much better than the behavior we've seen over the last few years and it only takes a few good women and men to bring about change. my mother and father showed us that through their leadership and i believe that the best of america, certainly the best is yet to come. >> all right, martin luther king iii and wandia waters king, thaurng both so much, such an inspiration that we need this morning. up next, joe biden outlines his plan for getting more americans vaccinated against the coronavirus. keep it right here on "morning joe." flexible hours. that work around your schedule. jackson hewitt is here to fight
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federally supported centers across the nation that will ultimately vaccinate millions of people. >> can you imagine, joe, by the way, if he had been here at the beginning of the pandemic as president? that was president-elect joe biden on friday discussing the details of his plan to speed up americans getting the coronavirus vaccine. he says he plans to use fema and the national guard to build vaccine clinics across the country. >> you know, and reverend al, this is something that actually mika had been talking about since march. we all had been talking about it, you'd be talking about it, wanting donald trump as president of the united states to aggressively move forward using the defense production act, using fema, using the national guard, using all the authority that he could use in washington, d.c. to move forward and organize this. he said he was a war-time president and then he surrendered immediately, turned it all over to the united states. >> turned his back to it. >> turned his back to it and the
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states obviously were not set up to take care of a virus that spread wildly across state lines. this was a national catastrophe, and he surrendered from day one. >> this is why what president-elect biden announced is so important and that's -- make sure the vaccine goes everywhere, those that have been disproportionately impacted need the disproportionate coverage in terms of being covered by access to this vaccine, access to ruling. that's what i'm going to be doing on king day and i'm glad we have an incoming president that has committed to that, understands that, and will execute that. >> absolutely. we've got quite a week to get through, stay with us. all week long we'll be covering the inaugural events as they roll out. and that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi there, i'm stephanie
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ruhle, live from our nation's capitol, washington, d.c., just two days from joe biden's inauguration. it is monday, january 18th, martin luther king day, the start of a hugely momentous week in our nation's history but one thing that is going to look and feel a whole lot different than anything we have ever seen before, that is because i'm essentially in the middle of an armed camp. it was extraordinary to make my way into the city last night, 25,000 national guard troops will be here by wednesday. more than twice the number that there usually is for inaugurations and this time the fbi is even vetting the troops themselves, trying to rule out the possibility of an insider attack by making sure they do not have any ties to extremists. at the very same time we are getting stunning new video of what it was like inside the capitol on the january 6th riots. this video comes from the new yorker. it shows the rioters

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